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| There was post receintly that spoke of balistic tip bullets and their effect on game. I don't shoot balistic tip bullets at deer and never will, but the post made me think. When I shoot at a deer with a rifle, I am trying to break bone. I want to take both shoulders out. I do not shoot at lungs, heart or liver, but do shoot with the intention of taking out both shoulders. Normally I get some heart and lungs in the process, but my intent is the shoulders which disable the front legs. I have only trailed 5 deer that I have shot and not very far. It seems to work for me. What do you aim for when you shoot a deer?
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depends on deer:
doe or small buck - head or neck
medium buck - neck
big buck (i never see them) - chest front shoulders. i plan on taking out its running gear
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I do my best to visualize vitals. I try to stay away from the shoulders, bone splintering, I shoot above for spinal shock and lungs, or just forward of the blades, usually never go 10 or 15 yds at most.
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Head or neck is understandable. I don't typically get much meat out of the front quarters and the meat that is there is not that great. Every deer I shoot I shoot the same, take out the shoulders and the deer don't go anywhere. I don't remember ever shooting a deer in the head, but I have made some neck shots. The head shot concerns me due to a very close miss could be jaw or nose (muzzle) and would leave the deer to die a slow painfull death.
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it all depends. Most of the time im blowing the shoulders out. If im bow huntin i aim right behind the shoulder.
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| the red dot is usually my aiming point. just above the shoulder joint and back a couple inches. 
at that placement i am hitting just at the edge of major organs and with the veloctiy and the force that the .308 150 gr softpoint puts on that spot it will more than likely cause some critical damage. 
at my placement a major artery is hit and they will bleed out very quick 
also it takes out a few ribs and maybe have enough spinal shock to drop em in their tracks! 
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SouthernAngler (10/26/2008)
it all depends. Most of the time im blowing the shoulders out. If im bow huntin i aim right behind the shoulder.I do the same thing.
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HIKE (10/26/2008)
the red dot is usually my aiming point. just above the shoulder joint and back a couple inches.
at that placement i am hitting just at the edge of major organs and with the veloctiy and the force that the .308 150 gr softpoint puts on that spot it will more than likely cause some critical damage.
at my placement a major artery is hit and they will bleed out very quick
also it takes out a few ribs and maybe have enough spinal shock to drop em in their tracks!
good hunting this season I would want to be a little forward and down. I would rather take his front wheels off and not have to possibly trail him. Based on the illistrations it looks a little high for vitals also. Not a bad wound, but I think more damage (Trama) could be done. Take the front wheels off and he can't go anywhere even if he is alive.
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| Garbo- why no balistic tips? I shoot a 300 WSM. I've shot 18 deer with balistic tips and never had one run an inch (I try to take the shoulders out), but have not had the same luck with other loads.
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i have always had luck shooting ther. i guess if being high enough up in a tree, the exit wouund would be close to the backside joint which would take out the organs. but i do agree that if the front legs are done then they are going no where.
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aim center mass and let it fly
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Garbo (10/26/2008)
There was post receintly that spoke of balistic tip bullets and their effect on game. I don't shoot balistic tip bullets at deer and never will, but the post made me think. When I shoot at a deer with a rifle, I am trying to break bone. I want to take both shoulders out. I do not shoot at lungs, heart or liver, but do shoot with the intention of taking out both shoulders. Normally I get some heart and lungs in the process, but my intent is the shoulders which disable the front legs. I have only trailed 5 deer that I have shot and not very far. It seems to work for me. What do you aim for when you shoot a deer? this ight be unrelated, but where do you place an arrow? surely you don't rely on <300fps of an arrow to take out the running gear? i assume most people place their lead where you put your arrows. right through the vitals. i also shoot the shoulders out. i prefer a quartering (away or towards) shot so i can catch at least one shoulder on entry or exit while still finding major vitals.
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Garbo- why no balistic tips? I shoot a 300 WSM. I've shot 18 deer with balistic tips and never had one run an inch (I try to take the shoulders out), but have not had the same luck with other loads.Balistic tip bullets were initially designed for varmit hunting and shoot the small game at long to very long distance. The idea was to make shot placement not as critical, and it no doubt works. For example if you shoot a 1-3lb prarie dog at 300 yards with a balistic tip bullet he is done for, where as the same shot with a bullet that stays together and retains most of its weight will possibly wound the parrie dog without killing it as it will hit and not domuch more damage than the bullet path creates, while the balistic tip bullet will have a huge expansion in its bullet path after impact, meaning that if you were to hit him in the hip more than likely he is going to get the guts blown out of him instead of just his leg taken off. Now on large game the design works against the balistic tip, due to the bullet looses so much energy due to the extremely rapid expansion (explosion) that it often fails to do enough damage to bring the animal down by taking out the vitals or completely passing through the animal to allow the blood loss and internal damage to kill him. FailSafe bullets or incredible bullets for their ability to take out what is inside the animal and will almost never remain inside, as well as will most often leave a bullet path that is not likely a wound any North American game can live through. In short balistic tip bullets are designed to explode on impact more or less and on large game an exploding bullet on the exterior side of the animal will sometimes not be as effective as a bullet that passes through the interior vitals and structure. Like I mentioned earlier, I have heard of balistic tip bullets exploding due to a rain drop, a blade of grass or a twig, but that is what they were made to do. All that said, shot placement is remains the most important aspect of taking any game animal.
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There was post receintly that spoke of balistic tip bullets and their effect on game. I don't shoot balistic tip bullets at deer and never will, but the post made me think. When I shoot at a deer with a rifle, I am trying to break bone. I want to take both shoulders out. I do not shoot at lungs, heart or liver, but do shoot with the intention of taking out both shoulders. Normally I get some heart and lungs in the process, but my intent is the shoulders which disable the front legs. I have only trailed 5 deer that I have shot and not very far. It seems to work for me. What do you aim for when you shoot a deer? this ight be unrelated, but where do you place an arrow? surely you don't rely on <300fps of an arrow to take out the running gear? i assume most people place their lead where you put your arrows. right through the vitals. i also shoot the shoulders out. i prefer a quartering (away or towards) shot so i can catch at least one shoulder on entry or exit while still finding major vitals. Will, you are right, and I want double lungs with an arrow. I also aim at the exit wound, which is most important. An arrow can't carry enough energy to do the job of breaking enough bone to go through the shoulders. Slightly Quartering away is a gift of a bowshot.
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| yes. let me correct my earlier statement. with a rifle, i like to try and catch vitals with a shoulder. with a bow in my hands, im just praying i hit something that will bleed heavy enough and long enough for me to recover the deer. i shot a little low and back on a big doe last week. she bled a huge puddle on the edge of the field, then we never found another drop past that. ive been told that happens sometimes when you hit the liver. dark red blood. bleeds a fair amount pretty quick, then stops. unfortunately we didn't find her and i hate the thought of the deer dying slowly and unused for meat. :/
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| An older hunter told me a great saying after tracking a few deer "Hit' em high watch em die, hit em low watch them go!" been using that for years and it works good luck hunting I am going to south dakota to shoot some wild pheasants this week
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I totally disagree on your ballistic tip definition and performance. I've shot the Hornady SST in 30.06 for years and have had nothing but good things to say about it. I shot a doe from the rear left that traveled the length of the animal and stopped against the hide on the front right. I had the bullet weighed by a friend that wanted to know what weight retention they ended up with. It weighed in at 90 grains. That's not too bad. You make it sound like they're unstable little bombs. Ther's nothing in the world wrong with them. They penetrate and kill just the same. Try them on a couple and see it can't hurt.
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I totally disagree on your ballistic tip definition and performance. I've shot the Hornady SST in 30.06 for years and have had nothing but good things to say about it. I shot a doe from the rear left that traveled the length of the animal and stopped against the hide on the front right. I had the bullet weighed by a friend that wanted to know what weight retention they ended up with. It weighed in at 90 grains. That's not too bad. You make it sound like they're unstable little bombs. Ther's nothing in the world wrong with them. They penetrate and kill just the same. Try them on a couple and see it can't hurt.It's not my definition, more or less I am just the messager, I can only wish to be so brillant as to create a bullet to do what the balistic tip bullet was created to do. I thought your favorite round was .177? By the way is that in original Rem .17 or the new Fireball?
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High shoulder, it knock's them down and they don't get up. I will shoot a doe in the neck at time's, but I won't shoot one in the head for the same reason Garbo stated. A guy in our club blew one's bottom jaw off once and was lucky enough to hit it again as it was running off. Otherwise that would have been a miserable way to die. I have shot ballistic tip's for year's and could go on about test shot's I've done with them , but it would get long winded.
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i know several people that swear by ballistic tips. i for one hate them. they destroy too much meat and the bloodtrails absolutly suck. every ballistic tip manufacturer are proud of thier bullets you can tell by the price. I will stick to my 15 dollar box of core lokts that will kill the same amount of deer.
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I am gonna have to respectfully disagree about the ballistic tips blowing up when striking a rain drop or a blade of grass. I have shot through limbs as big as my thumb and still killed the deer behind it. This is nothing more than a myth IMO.
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the shoulders but i love ballistic tips. when i was at Ft Campbell, we had to do controlled kills atfer 9/11 to keep the deer heard down near the camp. we had to shoot 160 deer each year fro the three years i was there. i usually used my 7.08 or 308 and only shot ballistic tips. in my 15 years of shooting them, i have only had 3 deer run and all were found and i have shot many deer (mainly during the controlled kills).
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I am gonna have to respectfully disagree about the ballistic tips blowing up when striking a rain drop or a blade of grass. I have shot through limbs as big as my thumb and still killed the deer behind it. This is nothing more than a myth IMO.If you have had that kind of success with them I wouldn't change a thing. But, even the manufacturer would suggest that you don't shoot them in heavy cover, much less through limbs. Don't get me wrong, I am not poor mouthing Balistic tip bullets, they are in most cases a very high quality bullet, but they are built for a purpose and that is for rapid expansion at impact, which on a 200lb buck is not what I would desire to use to get to the part of the animal I want to effect the most, weight retention is very important to carry through a larger animal.
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I typically aim the same way I do for my bow. Usually just behind the front shoulder about mid ways up. It really depends on the shot presentation. Typically you can shoot a deer and still have one shoulder left in tact. I guess a better way to say it is that I like to double lung a deer without getting into his shoulder.
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Neck...always look for that neck shot.
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ok for all you that shoot at the neck, what part do you exactly aim for? cuz i have seen some shot in the neck before and it left a blood trail like it couldnt have ran but 10 yards....we tracked that deer for 250 yards through some of the thickest briar patches i have ever seen the shot got squeezed and it barely pierced the front of the throat in the windpipe. so where do yall aim for on the neck and for what reason?
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| I shoot a .243 100 grain hornady light magnum I always try to get a neck shot(small part of the neck right behind the ear).I have shot several in the head usually looking away in the back of the head.I don't do this because the .243 is too small I do it because I don't like to look for them.I have shot 10 or 15 deer through the shoulders with the same gun they usually don't go far.It is all about shot placement.
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I shoot BT 150 gr in my 30.06 and I strickly shoot for the neck because of the incredible damage it does to rest of the animal. The only one that I have shot in the shoulder turned the inside to jelly and destroyed both shoulders. The exit wound was unreal. BTW, this animal did not drip a drop of blood because he had no blood pressure, the heart was unidentifiable. In regards to where in the neck, I usually aim just below and behind the ear about 4-5 inches. If that shot is not available I shoot for the thickest part of the neck forward of the shoulders appx 3 inches below the top of the deers outline. If the deer is over 150-200 yds, I shoot them in the shoulder blades, from any direction the animal is dead as a stone within 40-50 yds. I also keep a Core-Lokt in my cartridge belt because I have found that they fly better over long distances than BT's do (300 yds +). Granted I have only had to do that a couple of times but the range taught me that lesson. BT or otherwise, if the shot is right, the deer is killed in a humane way. I will not take a bad shot even if I know the deer will not go far. It just is not right. I have watched two stud bucks just walk away because I would not shoot them in the ass. Sucks but I choose to give the animal the respect it deserves. Just my .02
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center of shoulders or a little forward. like to take out the "front wheels'' haha
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i try to take both shoulders also ,dont like tracking deer but you do loose some meat.
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